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Re: Buying agri land in karnataka
« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2012, 08:14:14 PM »
HI Maxtrix as Brijesh Mentioned.

There is no way we can fulfill all the requirements .

But if you just want to follow whats written in black and white, yes your moms income will be considered for calculation.

you can decide , how you want to handle this urge to purchase agriculture land :)

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Re: Agri Land Purchase Process in Karnataka
« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2012, 08:28:39 PM »
I have a query Mr. Hegde, my father satisfies the < 2 Lac requirements. However, if I include my mothers income as well, then the amount exceeds the limit. How can my father purchase agriculture land? I'm not a dependent, so I presume my income will not be considered?
Going by the law, family include wife and kids.   Your income could be excluded if you show it as separate family.  But your moms income will be included.

As natureworx said, there are other ways.  Do you want to take that option or not is yours call.


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Re: Buying agri land in karnataka
« Reply #38 on: June 27, 2012, 02:44:37 PM »
Hi All

 ;D  ;D While you all guys are discussing these issue, hundreds and hundreds of acres are daily exchanging hands near Intl Airport daily.  ;D  ;D This is just the tip of the iceberg.

If you go thru all the documents on rules and laws available in India, You will wonder how you are alive till now.  ;D  ;D No wonder with all these monon rules, our population is second in the world. OR has it over taken china. No wonder govt may be fudging the figures. :o  :o

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Re: Buying agri land in karnataka
« Reply #39 on: June 28, 2012, 11:47:41 AM »
Thanks for the responses...

The more I read and consult with people it seems like I stand very little to gain and more to loose! I'm seriously considering this as a profession and have set aside a significant amount of my savings to ensure I do this right (setup, infra etc). But I'm now contemplating that this money will be better utilized in a state like TN where such detrimental rules are not prevalent.

The rule as it stands today cannot and does not seem to help the 'Poor Farmer'. Anyone with IQ in double digits will know that in today's day and age even the farmers children get educated, go into other professions or acquire properties (non-agricultural) or make investments which would make them ineligible to own agriculture land (2 lakh limit). If these rules were not in place then maybe a farmer would never sell his land as he will be able to bring  more developments into the land and also create surplus wealth for acquiring more land. It is clearly a rule that works only for the ones who framed it or the ones who have the clout and muscle/money.

Absolutely disgusting!!

I want a rule that a farmer, his family or joint family or his generations to come will always continue as agriculturists and the Govt. should take away all other properties, assets which are non-agricultural and also bar them from entering other industries or professions.

Sorry for this rant... but it has been very frustrating!!!

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Re: Buying agri land in karnataka
« Reply #40 on: June 28, 2012, 08:02:29 PM »
HI Maxtrix,

i have been through this phase and couldn't understand the rationale of these rules.Except vote bank politics fooling the gullible farmers and uneducated.

As you said rightly , we stand to loose every thing if the rule book is followed to the 'T'.If ever that happens all of the transactions that are happening today in karnataka shouldn't be valid.

touch wood and cross fingers :D I took the chance .

Those who dared to dream and follow the passion of agriculture can move to other countries :) that sounds more feasible leaving these gullible public at the mercy of Politicians :)

I feel some how farmers are taken for a ride across the world even in US if not by politicians/traders  then they are taken for a ride by these seed companies and fertilizer companies.

Recently I read in an article in Brazil , farmers have ganged up and decided not to pay monasanto their royalty for the soy veriety .. andteh case is pending in International courts :) I support farmers completely in that case.






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Re: Buying agri land in karnataka
« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2012, 09:18:42 PM »
Just thinking about the rationale behind this rule, thinking aloud and putting my writing my thought in random order.

Can this protect land mafia to buy agri land and make the farmers landless?.  But then as i know only Gujarat and Karnataka has this rule. Does this mean only these two state want to protect farmers?.

As Murali pointed out, there are lots of lands getting exchanged now too, but then, our govt want to provide housing to all people so any land that is converted can be bought without any limit.

matrix, we do not have a organized farming where farmer can really get fixed income,  so wishing that farmers should farming only is and and their kith and kin not allowed in other field  would be debatable.  Btw, probably all our ancestors were farmers.... i know that was just a rant..

natureworx, you are right, there is no way to fulfill all the requirement.   It depends how much you really want to follow and can you get away with this.   While driving back today, there was a small truck (tata ace) that was carrying long construction poles that were protruding outside so much outside the vehicle.  Is that valid, certainly not, going by the law, there are not suppose to carry anything outside the body of the vehicle, if done ( in certain cases) this needs to have the reflecting board and a tail light glowing at the extreme end......i really wonder even if the police is aware of all these rules, we see this happening all the while.   Should we take the risk of registering the land overlooking the law, i am not sure, anytime when things become strict, there are chances of us loosing the land...and that could be huge amount.

Not sure about vote bank, farmers may not even be aware of these rules.  This only hurts genuine guys who are interested in farming with other source of income.

Unfortunately until you really have other source of income its difficult to do farming.

There was a proposal that the limit be raised to 20L,  is there any way that we too join hands to push for this amendment?   i am sure lots of politicians will be benefited by this, so there may be support :)


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Re: Buying agri land in karnataka
« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2012, 11:36:51 PM »
The rules in Karnataka and Maharashtra that prevents non-agriculturists from acquiring land is unjustified. If the rest of India which is by and large is still driven on agriculture, then are the farmers in these states are being exploited? Anything that is held so closely can only be benefiting a section. This nothing but another form of reservation.

Anyway I'm going ahead with checking out land in TN... I want to be an agriculturists and grow in this line. I don't want to buy land in Karnataka and live in fear that I might loose the land because my father and mother income was over the limit by a couple of lakhs. I love Karnataka and have lived my entire life here... it was my earnest desire to do something in this state... but looks like a neighboring state is more welcoming than my own!  :-X


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Re: Buying agri land in karnataka
« Reply #43 on: June 29, 2012, 11:33:07 AM »
The rules in Karnataka and Maharashtra that prevents non-agriculturists from acquiring land is unjustified. If the rest of India which is by and large is still driven on agriculture, then are the farmers in these states are being exploited? Anything that is held so closely can only be benefiting a section. This nothing but another form of reservation.

Anyway I'm going ahead with checking out land in TN... I want to be an agriculturists and grow in this line. I don't want to buy land in Karnataka and live in fear that I might loose the land because my father and mother income was over the limit by a couple of lakhs. I love Karnataka and have lived my entire life here... it was my earnest desire to do something in this state... but looks like a neighboring state is more welcoming than my own!  :-X
All the best!  Safeguarding the invested capitol is more important.
There was a offer about community farming kind of stuff, let me try dig the thread.  May be that is good to pursue and i will be willing.

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Re: Buying agri land in karnataka
« Reply #44 on: June 29, 2012, 05:13:29 PM »
Agriculture is going hot in Karnataka right now. SO it is the best idea to buy the land in Karnataka. If you want to show that estimated annual income, you can start the farm in any of your family members name. :)

seriously, have you gone through this thread completely?

more importantly , farmnest does not and will never knowingly support or endorse any actions that is illegal and going against the law of the land (even if we do not personally agree or subscribe to the rationale behind the law).

please do not post anything that can be equated to breaking or illegal circumvention of the laws on the boards

I myself may have been guilty of going down this train of thought but as I watch my son grow I cannot help to wonder if he will grow up be proud of his father for the right reasons or the wrong ones

personal opinion, laws may be unreasonable or outdated but disregarding or breaking them is the first step to total anarchy no matter how noble the intentions

any idea that starts on the basis of something that is not right ethically, legally or morally is an idea best left unpursued

there may be two or three states which have this law, breaking and starting your idea may be the easy or convenient way out, but what you do will reflect on your future generations

these laws may hinder but not stop what you want to do in terms of getting into agriculture, last I checked there are many other options but those may not be easy or convenient e.g. go to some other state where you can buy agricultural land clean and legal without any moral hazard



kind regards,
Brijesh



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Re: Buying agri land in karnataka
« Reply #45 on: June 29, 2012, 08:43:02 PM »
... as I watch my son grow I cannot help to wonder if he will grow up be proud of his father for the right reasons or the wrong ones

personal opinion, laws may be unreasonable or outdated but disregarding or breaking them is the first step to total anarchy no matter how noble the intentions
....

Brijesh saab,

I do respect your noble intentions. However if we really do a good introspection we cant live ourlife one more day:)

Because continue to break laws of nature so many ways ( i know lot may  say those are not laws of land..) 

Howmany of us have acquired passport without paying bribe to policeman ..? how many of us have correct date of birth certificates .. how many of us have got License without paying any bribe or how many registered their house or vehicle registered without paying bribe.

Do we consider them to be breaking laws or should we consider them to be OK.. 

Sorry for taking a detour from original the topic. I think as of today Lawyers are surviving as they invent loopholes :) and those are not considered to be illegal.Like wiseaquiring a property on dad r brotheror moms name is not even considered to be benami ,so i think its not as  illegal  as paying (under the table) to the registrar at the registration time:)




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Re: Buying agri land in karnataka
« Reply #46 on: June 29, 2012, 11:05:45 PM »
Hi?
If others may not give room to lawyers, then where is the question of their entry?
Actually people are creating their own problems and hence they approaching all including Advocates to resolve their issues.
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Re: Buying agri land in karnataka
« Reply #47 on: June 29, 2012, 11:23:57 PM »
Hi?
If others may not give room to lawyers, then where is the question of their entry?
Actually people are creating their own problems and hence they approaching all including Advocates to resolve their issues.

Good thoughts Swamy ji :)

Almost all the cases i have raised invite lawyers because we are breaking law on all those fronts. So I am questioning this selectively being Legal.

We can always wish for the best case scenario but these things come into the picture when we prepare for the worst case scenarios

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