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Re: Cow dairy farm in Kerala
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2012, 06:01:31 PM »
Since you are new to farming, i am happy to post  the following for your information.

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5 litres / 8 litres / 16 litres /24 litres may be the yield of a cow. But the time taken to let down the milk completely by hand milking or electrically operated milking machines is 6-8 minutes. That’s the cow ability to produce milk and let it down in
6-8 minutes through the 4 teats of the cow. Milk let down through the 4 teats of a cow will also end in different times. Not all the 4 together. The time taken will not vary if properly milked by hand or machine. Another important point to note here is the milking methods. Even by hand one must press the opposite teats like -“X” . If you are pressing the teat on the backside left first, you need to press the teat on the front right next – pressing must be alternate. Irrespective of the yield the time taken will be 6-8 minutes. Complete milking is possible. You/ the machine should not press all the 4 teats at a time.

My another question to you all- Why don’t we see milking machines working in any other method in USA,Middle east, Australia or New Zealand. Definitely they have better machines for all activities like fodder harvesting, manure scraping, automatic feeding. Am sure they would have definitely found solutions if this was possible by hand powered or leg powered ones. Why they don’t have these types because its not correct technically and in good interest of the cow’s health and hygiene. You can check with any reputed dairy farm/farmer ” Which machine are they using”?.

You can power it with diesel run/bio gas operated DG sets. Never think of any other systems to milk one cow.

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Re: Cow dairy farm in Kerala
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2012, 03:47:21 PM »
For 1-10 cows –Trolley (less than 10 numbers, you are sure you will not expand)
For 10 cow farm likely to expand: Better buy fixed type with 1 can in the beginning where in you can add 1 more can.
For 20 cow farm – Buy fixed type with 2 cans so that the milking job will be over in an hour or max 75 minutes.
For 50 cow farm – Buy machines which can operate 4/5 cans at a time- meaning milk 4 cows at a time
For 60 cow farm- Buy machines which can operate 6 cans
For 100 cow farm –Buy miking machines which can milk 10 cows at a time
More than 100 cow in milking, better to go in for milking parlours – Swing/Parallel/Herringbone with milk meters and Clean in place (CIP SYSTEM).In parlours you will have to decide the number of cows to be milked at a time, whether milk measurement is needed for every cow,then you need to have milk meters attached to each unit.
For very big farms Rotary parlour is the most ideal one.

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Re: Cow dairy farm in Kerala
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2012, 11:11:02 AM »
Dear Members,
Any updates on starting dairies? If now can you please come back with preparations and its stages now?
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Re: Cow dairy farm in Kerala
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2012, 07:55:25 AM »
Dear Farmer,

Age of a cow can be determined by checking the teeth - 2 permanent incisors at 2 years of age, 4 permanent incisors at 3 years, 6 at 4 years and 8 permanent incisors at 5 years of age.

Hope this will safeguard farmers from the hands of brokers who normally play tricks with farmers.

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Dear Mr.Sankar,

Getting good breed itself is a challenge for the farmers. HF or Jersey, GIR,THAPARKAR, like these there are many proven breeds. You are from?? Please see your e mail too.
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Re: Cow dairy farm in Kerala
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2012, 10:49:03 AM »
Thank you Mr.Murali, for sharing the valuable information, im planning to start a diary farm with 10 cows, kindly guide me in the building of cattle shed at the lowest investment, since i have very minimal investment capacity.

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Re: Cow dairy farm in Kerala
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2012, 08:47:37 PM »
Hi,

I am new to this site, but found this discussion very informative, especially the ones by Muraly Sir.

I am thinking abt starting a dairy farm(cows only) with aroud 10 cows.Could you plz tel me what would the capital investment should be. ie the investment for the cows, machines,the set up etc, basically the whole cost of it except the land??


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Re: Cow dairy farm in Kerala
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2012, 07:13:54 AM »
Dear Mareechika,

Simple calculation for setting up this will be 1 Lakh per cow and this will include the cost of the cow, transportation expenses for bringing the cow, machinery like milking machine, chaff cutter, water drinking devices for the cow, shed construction cost, fodder cultivation etc. Land cost not included. You need minimum 1 to 1.25 acres to be self supportive. Plan for related money earning devices like vermi composting, , organic manure etc. Plan for fodder cultivation and Azolla to reduce your feeding costs.

Keep in touch.

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Hi,

I am new to this site, but found this discussion very informative, especially the ones by Muraly Sir.

I am thinking abt starting a dairy farm(cows only) with aroud 10 cows.Could you plz tel me what would the capital investment should be. ie the investment for the cows, machines,the set up etc, basically the whole cost of it except the land??

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Re: Cow dairy farm in Kerala
« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2012, 01:21:40 PM »
Dear Farmers,

Thanks for the fantastic response.Mail me on srivinayakatvm@gmail.com for your dairy farm related doubts or suggestions

Murali Krishnan
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Dear Friend,

In starting stage its better to keep 10 cows, learn the art of cow farming. Avoid brokers while purchasing cows. Avoid farms too. Imagine i have a farm and you are coming to buy cows. i will give the cows which are non productive or having some incurable disease. Better to go with a reliable farmer friend who knows how to select cows. A fat cow may not give good milk i mean more quantity. Good cows are available at kaverippattinam, near krishnagiri. You may have to negotiate hard.

You need a cow shed with sloped floor towards the back of the cow. A mild slope for the water to drain(say 1 %). If slope is too much, it will be dangerous for cows, human beings and for pregnant cows. A cow needs a standing place of 2 meter length and 4 feet width apart from the feeding manger in front of the cow 1/2 metre.

You don’t need any special permission from any govt body to start dairy farm. The building (cow shed) needs building permit as per your plan from the local panchayat. There is absolutely no harm in using machines. You will get good, clean, hygienic milk without froth from the machine.

For 10 cows if you need a single can machine 1 or 2 people can manage. We have a Kannada speaking service person who can install and train your staff.

Having a bulk milk cooler is a good idea because milk will not get spoiled. (not recommended for 10 cows). but if you have the facility to sell the milk as soon as it is milked, you don’t have to spend money for buying a cooler. Please do not buy local coolers, buy it from reputed companies only.

Milking machines normally works on electricity and it has a milking can with 30 litre capacity. Buy only good machines with pneumatic oil free pulsator and vacuum pump. We are in that business. It’s better to have generator back up as during milking time you need power back up.

Money is there from the front of the cow ( milk) and back of the cow ( cow dung conversion to organic manure or vermi compost with earthworms- you make vermi compost by leaving good earth worms- its having good demand in places where vegetable cultivation/flowers/coconut/where ever is there chemical fertilizer is used.)

Maintaining buffaloes is good but not recommended for beginners. Keep cows, learn the art of dairying, and then you can venture into buffaloes. They yield less compared to cows, but as the fat percentage in milk is more you may get more money for their milk per litre cost. (Buffalo curd is tastier).

When they become old you dispose it off or give it to some goshala. When they are dry, inseminate them if they are in good health. For any cow dry period is there.

I hope i have clarified your doubts. I am Murali Krishnan, who worked for nearly 20 years in this line, now doing my own business. i had met with a very serious accident last October in my Scorpio and unfortunately i got left side paralysis. I am typing now using my right hand, I have recovered but facial left paralysis remains. i can walk and move my left hand but not like what i was using my left hand before. Milking parlour means milker will be standing in a pit and cows will stand in a platform and the milk from its udder will get collected in a SS pipe in the centre and falls finally to a bulk milk cooler or collecting vessel. No milking cans will be there. Milk from the udder of the cow will go the milk cooler untouched by hand. The milk given by each cow can be measured using milk meters installed in the SS pipeline. You can measure and record the yield of each cow when you do it this way but it’s expensive. You need a small trolley machine with 30 litre can cluster assembly with oil free pneumatic pulsator. With one can you should be able to milk 10 cows in one hour. For cleaning milking equipment like milking cans you need acid and alkaline detergents. Soap is ruled out as milk will get the smell of soap.

I am importing machines from turkey which is ISO certified and manufactured as per European norms. You may consult a chartered accountant who has experience in preparing agri project reports. I visited turkey last year to learn more on dairy farming.

Drinking bowl ensures that your cow gets good clean drinking water whenever it needs, from the overhead tank. Water starts flowing when cow puts it head inside by the lower jaw of the cow pressing the lever inside the water bowl. A good cow requires about 100 litres of water a day.

Calf bottle- for calves, you can feed required quantity of milk through the feeding bottle. its better to avoid to leave the calves for drinking milk from the cow's udder as it may bite and injure the cow. if pain is there cow will not give you milk.

With Chaff cutter you can cut CO3 grass (which grows up to 7 feet height, may be more too) to small pieces. For 10 cows hand driven is more than enough.

Keep in touch.

Regards

Murali Krishnan
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Purchasing cows
« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2012, 11:30:46 AM »
Selection of cows:

•   Buy cows which are healthy, look for the milk vein under the stomach ending in udder.
•   Better buy dehorned cows.
•   Always find out what feeds were given to that cow and slowly switch over to the feed available in your area. A sudden change might result in drop of yield.
•   Buy cows which have just delivered within 3 weeks.
•   Better to buy cows less than 5 years of age.
•   Normally in cows, the first 3 lactations are good. The best will be 2nd and third.
•   Look for signs of mastitis, problems due to delivery, any infections suffered like FMD needs to be checked.
•   Its always better to check the milk yield by the purchaser by milking the cow continuously for 3 times.
•   Reduction in teat size after milking is a good sign. Teat size must be long.
•   Bright eyes, big stomach, long body, good skin texture with polished hair, are other natures to look out for.
•   Udder and teats must be soft.
•   Better to deworm the cows after purchase. Not immediately, after 1 or 2 months.
•   Never buy cows believing brokers words


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Dear Farmers,

Thanks for the fantastic response.Mail me on srivinayakatvm@gmail.com for your dairy farm related doubts or suggestions

Murali Krishnan
sri vinayaka agencies
T.C.1/828(1)
Karunamadhavam
opposite MCHS
Trivandrum-695011
9446352007
E mail:srivinayakatvm@gmail.com

Dear Friend,

In starting stage its better to keep 10 cows, learn the art of cow farming. Avoid brokers while purchasing cows. Avoid farms too. Imagine i have a farm and you are coming to buy cows. i will give the cows which are non productive or having some incurable disease. Better to go with a reliable farmer friend who knows how to select cows. A fat cow may not give good milk i mean more quantity. Good cows are available at kaverippattinam, near krishnagiri. You may have to negotiate hard.

You need a cow shed with sloped floor towards the back of the cow. A mild slope for the water to drain(say 1 %). If slope is too much, it will be dangerous for cows, human beings and for pregnant cows. A cow needs a standing place of 2 meter length and 4 feet width apart from the feeding manger in front of the cow 1/2 metre.

You don’t need any special permission from any govt body to start dairy farm. The building (cow shed) needs building permit as per your plan from the local panchayat. There is absolutely no harm in using machines. You will get good, clean, hygienic milk without froth from the machine.

For 10 cows if you need a single can machine 1 or 2 people can manage. We have a Kannada speaking service person who can install and train your staff.

Having a bulk milk cooler is a good idea because milk will not get spoiled. (not recommended for 10 cows). but if you have the facility to sell the milk as soon as it is milked, you don’t have to spend money for buying a cooler. Please do not buy local coolers, buy it from reputed companies only.

Milking machines normally works on electricity and it has a milking can with 30 litre capacity. Buy only good machines with pneumatic oil free pulsator and vacuum pump. We are in that business. It’s better to have generator back up as during milking time you need power back up.

Money is there from the front of the cow ( milk) and back of the cow ( cow dung conversion to organic manure or vermi compost with earthworms- you make vermi compost by leaving good earth worms- its having good demand in places where vegetable cultivation/flowers/coconut/where ever is there chemical fertilizer is used.)

Maintaining buffaloes is good but not recommended for beginners. Keep cows, learn the art of dairying, and then you can venture into buffaloes. They yield less compared to cows, but as the fat percentage in milk is more you may get more money for their milk per litre cost. (Buffalo curd is tastier).

When they become old you dispose it off or give it to some goshala. When they are dry, inseminate them if they are in good health. For any cow dry period is there.

I hope i have clarified your doubts. I am Murali Krishnan, who worked for nearly 20 years in this line, now doing my own business. i had met with a very serious accident last October in my Scorpio and unfortunately i got left side paralysis. I am typing now using my right hand, I have recovered but facial left paralysis remains. i can walk and move my left hand but not like what i was using my left hand before. Milking parlour means milker will be standing in a pit and cows will stand in a platform and the milk from its udder will get collected in a SS pipe in the centre and falls finally to a bulk milk cooler or collecting vessel. No milking cans will be there. Milk from the udder of the cow will go the milk cooler untouched by hand. The milk given by each cow can be measured using milk meters installed in the SS pipeline. You can measure and record the yield of each cow when you do it this way but it’s expensive. You need a small trolley machine with 30 litre can cluster assembly with oil free pneumatic pulsator. With one can you should be able to milk 10 cows in one hour. For cleaning milking equipment like milking cans you need acid and alkaline detergents. Soap is ruled out as milk will get the smell of soap.

I am importing machines from turkey which is ISO certified and manufactured as per European norms. You may consult a chartered accountant who has experience in preparing agri project reports. I visited turkey last year to learn more on dairy farming.

Drinking bowl ensures that your cow gets good clean drinking water whenever it needs, from the overhead tank. Water starts flowing when cow puts it head inside by the lower jaw of the cow pressing the lever inside the water bowl. A good cow requires about 100 litres of water a day.

Calf bottle- for calves, you can feed required quantity of milk through the feeding bottle. its better to avoid to leave the calves for drinking milk from the cow's udder as it may bite and injure the cow. if pain is there cow will not give you milk.

With Chaff cutter you can cut CO3 grass (which grows up to 7 feet height, may be more too) to small pieces. For 10 cows hand driven is more than enough.

Keep in touch.

Regards

Murali Krishnan
9447088234

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Re: Cow dairy farm in Kerala
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2012, 12:30:06 PM »
Mr. Murali,

Thanks for posting your valuable insights.

If one needs cows only for organic farming and not necessarily for milk, what are your recommendations? What are the health aspects that one has to take care of?

If you can post your valuable views in the following topic it would be very useful and much appreciated.

http://farmnest.com/forum/animal-farming/cows-for-organic-farming-etc/


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Re: Cow dairy farm in Kerala
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2012, 02:03:29 PM »
See, dairying and organic farming are two different things. For organic production to be frank, you better ask an agri guy. You can manage may be with Indian breeds.Have enough grazing land. Indian cows may give less milk, but more fat. Pasture grazing will be better for them. Give provision for water intake. For organic production, better do vermi composting too using earthworms. You focus shifts from milk to dung. Have plans to make organic manure. Plant shade giving trees or plant banana plants so that you get enough waste (greens) to make organic manure.

Indian breeds are known for disease resistance. Do proper vaccinations, periodic deworming, feed lot of greens, water etc. Unlike cross bred cows they don’t need a high energy diet.

Murali Krishnan
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Mr. Murali,

Thanks for posting your valuable insights.

If one needs cows only for organic farming and not necessarily for milk, what are your recommendations? What are the health aspects that one has to take care of?

If you can post your valuable views in the following topic it would be very useful and much appreciated.

http://farmnest.com/forum/animal-farming/cows-for-organic-farming-etc/

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Re: Cow dairy farm in Kerala
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2012, 08:31:56 PM »
Dear Jayraj,
Are you their? What is the status of setting up of your dairy? Can you come back.
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Re: Cow dairy farm in Kerala
« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2013, 11:43:55 AM »
Dear Murali,

I want to start a new diary farm with 10 cows in Kannur, Kerala. (later plan to expand)

What are the requirements of this initial setup including making of shed, breed selection, equipments/machinery, other things such as cow mat, setup for shower etc..

thanks in advance


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Re: Cow dairy farm in Kerala
« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2013, 12:42:35 PM »
Dear Mr.Chinnu,

Cow selection: Holstein from Krishnagiri and source good jersey from Kerala.
Land: 1.5 acres for round the year fodder availability.
shower/Water spraying is the best, twice in a day.Put fans.

For milking machines buy machines with oil free pneumatic pulsators and vacuum pumps to avoid recurring expenses. Pulsation is very important.  Check for can capacity, better to buy 30 litres SS make. Give 40 feet inner space for cow standing area. 0.5 metres inner space for feeding manger. For more details mail me on srivinayakatvm@gmail.com

Make sure you check for the technology used in milking machines, country of origin etc. Does it have any international certification? Check these points. 

Murali Krishnan

Dear Murali,

I want to start a new diary farm with 10 cows in Kannur, Kerala. (later plan to expand)

What are the requirements of this initial setup including making of shed, breed selection, equipments/machinery, other things such as cow mat, setup for shower etc..

thanks in advance

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Re: Cow dairy farm in Kerala
« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2013, 12:50:06 PM »
Hi Murali,

Thanks for the quick reply.

What are the models and brands available in Kerala for these machineries and also the other accessories for the startup?


 

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